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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:44 pm    Post subject: Feeling Silly--dark granites most durable? Reply with quote

Yep, I feel like a dunce. I was all set to get Ivory Fantasy until I got the price. It was a high end stone. I would've gone ahead and paid for it if I really LOVED it, but I decided that I didn't really LOVE it, especially when it was considered a softer stone. I looked at a lot of kitchens that had medium stained cabinets, and light granites, and I wasn't thrilled with how they looked.

On the other hand, I really really like medium cabs with DARK granites. It just seems to pop! The dark granite that we were interested in was Black Galaxy. The gold flecks really look nice with the cabinets. We are going back to the stoneyard tomorrow to focus on dark granites. What dark granites should I pay attention to in terms of hardness, durability, etc. I do know that dark granites show fingerprints/ smudges, etc. That is not my issue as much as long term durability. My cabinets are quartersawn white oak in a burnished stain. I would say it is a redish/gold color.

I am going to Boston Granite Exchange, so we'll see what they have. I did read that labrador antique was fragile (and pricey).

Thank you all so much for your help. I really value the input I got regarding ivory fantasy.

Thanks again,
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Black Galaxy is a great stone for a kitchen(you will enjoy it). More important than the stone is choosing the right fabricator(hopefully they are members of the SFA or the MIA) to do your project right.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:39 pm    Post subject: Feeling Silly--dark granites most durable? Reply with quote

Can you tell me what those initials stand for so I can call and ask? Thanks so much!
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:42 pm    Post subject: Feeling Silly--dark granites most durable? Reply with quote

Duh...got it, stone fabricators alliance...Is there a list of members that I can find?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:53 pm    Post subject: Feeling Silly--dark granites most durable? Reply with quote

What are other good dark choices for kitchen counters? Are the verde peacocks a good choice? Is there a site I can go to that would have a listing of the various properties of the different stones?

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Verde Peacock is a great stone, but could be "flaky". If you decide on that, be sure to get resined slabs.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

April,

Post your location and we will be glad to refer you to an SFA member.

As far as picking a dark granite in terms of hardness and durability goes..... I would not be too concerned about "hardness" when it comes to granite. For countertops granite is as hard as it gets (any granite). Here are a few dark granites that you might want to consider. I also rated them in terms of cost. If you decide to look them up on the web, be aware that the pictures are often different than the actual slab colors.

Volga Blue $$$
Emerald Pearl $$$$
Verdi Butterfly $
Uba Tuba $
Dakota Mahogany $$
Black Galaxy $$$$
Impala Black $$
Baltic Brown $$
Cambria Black $$$

The price of granite has little to do with how hard or durable it is. It has more to do with shipping costs and supply/demand.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 1:48 am    Post subject: Feeling Silly--dark granites most durable? Reply with quote

Thanks so much for the info. That helps a lot. I am in Southern Maine. I did a bit of a test tonight on the various samples I had. The samples I had were Ivory Fantasy, Kashmire Gold, Tropical Brown and Black Galaxy. I put drops of spaghetti sauce (dinner tonight), cooking oil and white wine. I left them all on there for maybe 20 minutes. It really confirms what I thought about the lighter granites. They really stained. The dark ones did not seem to be affected at all. I haven't gone back down to check and see if the stains are still there, but I'm SO glad I tested it.

The only problem is that it made my husband VERY nervous about granite at all, and now he wants to look into the zodiaqs and silestone type products. I still want granite. We're going back to the Boston area tomorrow to look specifically at dark stones.

I will be sure to look up the ones you suggested. That is very helpful.

Thanks again for all your patience with my questions.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 1:54 am    Post subject: Feeling Silly--dark granites most durable? Reply with quote

What are other good dark choices for kitchen counters? Are the verde peacocks a good choice? Is there a site I can go to that would have a listing of the various properties of the different stones?

Thanks again,
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

granite is the only way to go! use an sfa member who uses surface
treatment technology's sealer and pay for the lifetime treatment; it's a
force field!
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Don't be fooled by the possative advertising that is pertrayed by Dupont Zodiaq. Engineered stone can stain just like granite. With granite you can seal it as Mike said. Surface Treatment Technologies is the best sealer money can buy. Here is a link to one of the posts made by an unhappy customer of Zodiaq. This was an insodent where a simple candle was left on a counter overnight and actually burnt the counter.

http://www.stoneadvice.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1964&highlight=coconut+shell

The Photos

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/turnshifthit3/album?.dir=a97b&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/turnshifthit3/my_photos


Here is a link to an experiment performed by an SFA member that illistrates that it is possable to heat granite to over 1800 degrees and have no damage.


http://www.stoneadvice.com/gallery/Testing-Resined-Slabs


Here is a link to someone that offers real scientific testing of dimmentional stone.

http://www.findstone.com/australia_testservice.htm


Don't be discuraged by the stain tests that you perfored tonight. With a good sealer you will have no worries of a stain penitrating the stone.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Jim. Good post.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The samples you have are

1. Prolly not resined
2. Not Sealed

With that combination most stones are bullet proof. I would hate to have folks read this thread and walk away thinking they need to choose a dark stone. 80% of what we fabricate is NOT dark and we have 100s of very happy customers with no staining issues at all.

Choose a good fabricator....choose a color you like.

The fabricator should know what need to be done to a given stone to make it well for you.

By the way I lit some engineered stone on fire the other day....it burned like a candle.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you cook a steak on it too Mark? No, wait, it might make your brain wiggle with all that plastic. Laughing

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark, I better do more research on sealers. Cause I've had 2 kitchens in Kashmir white that have been stained in the last year. We also do lots of light stones, but that one has me a little concerened.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt Qualey is in Maine. He may be a good fabricator to work with. Don't know his location..

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kashmire White is not stone....it is crap, in the form of a slab and is on our shops black list. We will fabricate and install it....the use of black list material voids our warrenty.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

April

You have mail Smile

We are an SFA member shop located in Bangor. I have pretty much all the colors you mentioned in stock as well as lots more. I'm happy to answer any questions for you.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark, do you say it's crap because it's way softer? Or because even good quality sealers won't help? After my second problem, I too, black listed this one.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 9:04 pm    Post subject: Which white granites AREN't crap? Reply with quote

Mark,
If Kashmir white is crap, which white granites are not crap?
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That would be a very long list....we have around 10 stones on our black list for various reasons. Viens that fail....stone that are prone to staining...etc.

Let us know the color you are considering and we can help steer ya straight.

Most mercantile granites are great.

There is something about kashmire white that makes it absorb grease over time. We sealed this one job 3 times. We had a call back a year latter to drill a hole for a soap pump. The customer did not notice the fact that the stone looked like HELL....the change had occured over such a slow time.

All around the stove the stone had shifted from a white to a grey (grease acting as an enhancer) It could have been a fluke...after that we stopped selling it. On another occasion we had a suction cup leave a blue ring in the stone....it is the only time i have seen that happen.

I am not a geologist ..... I think the stuff is simply full on porus.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark, here's the situation. We are going to have a terra cotta floor with blue and white porcelain accent tiles. We were thinking of having a white granite to top off the cabinets, which are natural cherry stained.
If you could let me know which white granites are ok, that would be great.

And while you're at it, any chance you could also list your "black list"?

I've been readin the forum and really respect your opinion. Very Happy

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Biacno Ramano
White Spring
Bianco Antico

All three are nice stones (a little difficult to fab) but as far as stain resistance and durabalilty they rock.

LINK
http://www.stoneadvice.com/gallery/CNCinmotion/July_12_05_019

THAT STONE IS DELIGHTFUL!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark, which one was that a picture of? It's beautiful. I take it you are not going to post your "black list..."
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 1:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silly answer to your question:

Yep, they aren't.
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